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02 May 2010 @ 07:28 pm
The Hoard Potato makes a note.  
I'm watching Justice League Unlimited again, a disc or two each week.

Man, Superman is really surly in this show. He comes off as snarky, sarcastic, and irritable—while Batman seems relaxed and comfortable and cracks a genuine smile now and then.

It's surreal.

Amanda Waller, however, remains the scariest person in the DCU.

 
 
 
ArchTeryxarchteryx on May 3rd, 2010 02:44 am (UTC)
Certainly the scariest norm. She beats Lex Luthor hands down.

My vote's still for the Joker as the creepiest recurring villain (almost self-evident) and Earth Mover as the scariest one-shot villain.
Christopher Bradleycpxbrex on May 3rd, 2010 03:15 am (UTC)
It's because Superman's not in Metropolis with his wife, whereas Batman is away from Gotham making googly eyes at Wonder Woman. ;)

I mean, if I was Batman, I'd probably see the time in the League as a kind of pleasant escape from the constant barrage of horror that is Gotham City.
Moral Explorernotthebuddha on May 3rd, 2010 08:04 am (UTC)
Speaking JLU and Gotham, why doesn't Green Lantern or Dr Fate or anyone else with ineffable powers say, "Batman, let me help you with that Joker problem." or better yet, just take care of it. It would totally be in character for Deadman.
Christopher Bradleycpxbrex on May 3rd, 2010 08:08 am (UTC)
Because 1. Gotham is Batmans' city. Just ask him and 2. he takes care of the Joker himself. There is copious evidence of this. ;)
Moral Explorernotthebuddha on May 3rd, 2010 08:46 am (UTC)
I'm not sure that Batman's "care" is effective. Has a year gone by without the Joker killing more people? Meanwhile, GL has the moral responsibility and arguably the authority to protect people in the entire sector including Gotham City.
Christopher Bradleycpxbrex on May 3rd, 2010 09:11 am (UTC)
Batman's care is highly effective. It's Arkham's care that is ineffective! And Bruce Wayne has, in good conscious, fairly consistently attempted to make Arkham a better holding facility, but the incompetence and corruption of Gotham City make that impossible - but not through lack of effort.

Plus, it isn't like the sci-cells of the GL Corps are any better than Arkham. Crooks walk in and out of them all the time, too. ;)

I would also hesitate to put the GL Corps up against the Joker. Eventually, the Joker would meet, say, Parallax and the gig would be up for the GL Corps!
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Your Obedient Serpent: Superboy Punches The Universeathelind on May 3rd, 2010 06:11 pm (UTC)
There was a long period from, oh, '64 to '73, where the Joker was simply not used, because the harmless-trickster version imposed by the Comics Code was simply too goofy. After Denny O'Neill essentially created the modern Joker in 1973's classic, "The Joker's 5-Way Revenge", they still used him in relative moderation, only publishing a Joker story every couple of years.

The people who snark about how Batman needs to "take it up a notch" don't really want an effective Bat. Batman was at his most effective during the period that everyone reviles. Those late-'50s/early-'60s stories where he's always running off to travel in time or deal with aliens are also the ones in which Gotham is depicted as a safe, pleasant place to live, and Batman is given full credit for cleaning up the town.

The push to make Batman more "realistic" and "gritty" by amping up his opposition and emphasizing the endemic corruption of Gotham has just made him pathetic and ineffectual. Using his Rogues Gallery as a supporting cast just exacerbates this. A confrontation with, say, Two-Face should be a Big Event, something to make the readers think, "oh, CRAP"; instead, he's a regular character, an established Gotham presence who appears in every issue.

The real solution to the "Joker Problem" is BETTER EDITORIAL CONTROL, and, maybe, keeping writers on the books for more than six months at a time, so they don't feel pressured to get THEIR Joker story squeezed in right after the LAST guy's.
Grauph. - notthebuddha on May 3rd, 2010 08:36 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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leonard_arlotteleonard_arlotte on May 3rd, 2010 08:31 am (UTC)
Besides, Joker is too popular a villain to be given the final solution.
Moral Explorernotthebuddha on May 3rd, 2010 08:48 am (UTC)
Marketing realities are acknowledged, but that's not a reason for them not to try.
eggshellhammereggshellhammer on May 3rd, 2010 02:34 pm (UTC)
Athelind, tell us about how you resolved the Joker Problem in your DCU RPG.
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Your Obedient Serpent: tell it like it ISathelind on May 3rd, 2010 05:38 pm (UTC)
The Joker has appeared to meet his end any number of times, starting with his very first appearance, only to prove far more resilient than anyone suspected.

Frankly, I think the pasty bastard has a Wolverine-class Healing Factor. If Bats breaks his neck, alá The Dark Knight Returns, he's just gonna Get Better.
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Moral Explorernotthebuddha on May 3rd, 2010 07:59 am (UTC)
I can see Superman being gripey, as he is not accustomed to asking for help and putting together the League has resulted in the escalation of some other things that he definitely can't handle alone. Instead of being a distant inspiration and role model, he now has to be an authority figure for for his peers.
leonard_arlotteleonard_arlotte on May 3rd, 2010 03:41 pm (UTC)
Maybe Batman's cheerfulness is him continuously singing in his mind, "I have a plan to take you all out!"
Your Obedient Serpent: facepalmathelind on May 3rd, 2010 05:40 pm (UTC)
Giggling helplessly now.
gatewalkergatewalker on May 3rd, 2010 09:25 pm (UTC)
Nah, I'm fairly sure it's the oogling Wonder Woman. <_<