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07 June 2010 @ 11:06 am
Life in these Untidy States: Stadium--The Abridged Edition  
I guess I can boil down my last post into a couple of simple questions:

Does investing public money into building a stadium actually yield a net economic benefit to the community?

If so, does it actually provide more of a benefit than investing the same public money into, say, public transit or public utilities*?




*Note that Santa Clara is one of the few municipalities in Northern California that has its own, independent power generation facilities, and thus is not a serf to PG&E; as a result, they're one of the targets of Proposition 16</i>, officially named the "Right To Vote Act", but generally recognized as the "PG&E Power Grab" or "Monopoly Preservation Act".
 
 
 
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Your Obedient Serpent: Warning: Nonstandard Spacetimeathelind on June 7th, 2010 10:12 pm (UTC)
I'm gonna beg off tonight -- I've got another Bullet Proof Headache, and I doubt an evening of work at Legends is going to help it much. Thank you for the invite, though!

A little lead time and a chance to adjust to the concept of "work is over, but home is in the opposite direction" should leave me more amenable; I kinda have to steel myself to the idea of "going out and doing stuff".
Moonfiremoonfires on June 7th, 2010 06:31 pm (UTC)
Overall, no.
Moultmoult on June 7th, 2010 06:34 pm (UTC)
Tangentially:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/10217817.stm

'Local people love it. Even those who live in shacks in Matsafeni village right next to it love their new "giraffe stadium". But they would also like to have mains water and electricity - and proper housing. And a tar road ... Mbombela council promised the people of Matsafeni that the building of the stadium would be matched by improvements to the village. But nothing happened.'
pseudo manitoupseudomanitou on June 7th, 2010 06:49 pm (UTC)
Benefit to the community... only within the inner city where the new sports building is built.

This kind of thing can revitalize an inner city -- bringing people outside the city limits inside to spend money, prop up new restaurants, hotels, etc.

Now, in the long run, this can make the inner city more appealing to businesses looking for a city structure office location.

But it all depends on so many factors. Maybe the team sucks constantly and has trouble selling tickets. Maybe the only businesses that pop up are strip clubs and sports bars that release drunks into the streets. Maybe the businesses that are attracted in are unethical or become too large so that the community finds itself entirely dependent on the company doing well. It's a gamble.

But for some cities, it's pretty much a given that it will increase tourism and spending.

Did something similar in Minneapolis. It helped, but once you cross into a certain area, property taxes triple. This is why I don't a condo north of I-94 :P
Your Obedient Serpent: barcodeathelind on June 7th, 2010 07:20 pm (UTC)
Thank you! This is the first specific example of a positive benefit I've found. Even anecdotal evidence gives a clue as to where to look for hard numbers.

It still sounds like a bad deal for this area, though, especially since Santa Clara doesn't really have much in the way of an "inner city" to benefit; the stadium will be dropped into an area currently dominated by business parks, hotels, the Santa Clara convention center, and the Great America theme park (which seems to change hands annually). In fact, it's slated for the land that the city currently leases TO Great America for parking overflow.

And again, I'm still not convinced that an inner city venue wouldn't benefit more from other forms of urban renewal, including, say, tax breaks or rent subsidies for downtown businesses.
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Your Obedient Serpent: coyote drivesathelind on June 8th, 2010 06:34 pm (UTC)
You'd think that the result of that would be a town where you had to drive everywhere, but the opposite is true: there just aren't that many places to live in Santa Clara that AREN'T in walking distance to any number of conveniences.
Tube: The dragon! The dragon! The dragon!toob on June 7th, 2010 07:36 pm (UTC)
I dread the impact to 101.
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pseudo manitoupseudomanitou on June 8th, 2010 02:41 pm (UTC)
Odds are, there will be tax subsidies for businesses to encourage the positive outcome of any stadium construction. Rent subsidies are a given too unless the city is incompetent and doesn't recognize it will need to develop urban living conditions in order to balance and sustain the other improvements.

Most likely, taxation will be dropped hardest on property owners -- both to tax the more wealthy who can own/afford lovely condos and homes, as well as force out "undesirable" businesses and local shops. It's not all pretty -- some decent book-stores or other well-loved shops with a deserved reputation will probably get hurt...
divabeqdivabeq on June 8th, 2010 12:55 am (UTC)
I both live in and work for the city of Arlington, TX (where they just built the new Dallas Cowboy's Stadium) and my answer is an emphatic "no". I have a fairly intimate knowledge of the budget of the city both before and after a stadium is built. Before the stadium, we received raises and since, we have not, nor will we get cost of living raises this year. In addition to the tax breaks to the stadium and immense cost of construction for this kind of a project, there are infrastructure improvements that have to be made that cost hundreds of millions of dollars. New water towers and water and sewer lines, new streets, street lights, signs, increased police presence... it goes on and on.

In addition to our recent experience with the newly built Cowboys' stadium, we had a similar experience some years ago with the construction of the Ballpark at Arlington (the Texas Rangers' baseball stadium). Just about the time that stadium outlived its tax breaks, we started a second one. And the whole idea of it revitalizing other local businesses like restaurants and hotels, the fact is that games/events cause so much traffic that people would rather go to further away from the stadium itself to eat and sleep after. Furthermore, many of the studies I read (in the run up to the stadium being built) suggest that tourism is not actually good for the people who live in a community.
Arcaton: jackassr_caton on June 8th, 2010 04:13 pm (UTC)
One word -
OLYMPICS.

And after?

Lok at the crap at Wembley and White City...
White City is just improving (maybe) now, the 'Lympies were 1908 and 1948