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03 August 2009 @ 10:32 am
In Which Your Obedient Serpent tries not to make an ad hominem attack and fails miserably.  
So, the family that runs that Creationist theme park are a bunch of frauds and liars.

Who'da thunk it?

I feel: amusedamused
Tombfyretombfyre on August 3rd, 2009 05:53 pm (UTC)
Wow, that's stranger than fiction right there. Nobody could have seen that coming. ;)
Helvetica 'Foofers' Boldfoofers on August 3rd, 2009 06:05 pm (UTC)
If only there were a text version of the Belly Hillizer!
The Red Alchemist: Jack Chickjirris_midvale on August 3rd, 2009 06:19 pm (UTC)

Oh god, this is rich. This is like christmas to me. Kent Hovind pisses me off to no end. I am happy to see his smug lying ass sitting in jail along side the other frauds and con-men of his ilk.

You just made my day.
Christopher Bradleycpxbrex on August 3rd, 2009 06:35 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure it can be ad hominem if it's true. Which it clearly is. They are frauds and liars. Not in the pedestrian sense in which we all are, y'know, telling a little white lie to get out of a social scene we're not digging or whatever - but in the sense of federal indictments, hehe.
Your Obedient Serpent: Warning: Cognitive Hazardathelind on August 3rd, 2009 06:46 pm (UTC)
Oh, certainly, the evidence indicates that they're less than honest financially, but their dubious approach to taxation has no bearing on the validity of their stance on the biological sciences.

It's an ad hominem attack because my phrasing ("Who'da thunk it?") and ironic tone suggest otherwise. "Who'd be fool enough to fall for what frauds and liars have to say?"
Christopher Bradleycpxbrex on August 3rd, 2009 06:52 pm (UTC)
Perhaps it is because of the militancy of my atheism, but I think a big problem with religion in America is the extent to which a certain class of people use religion as a profit-making enterprise, so I think sarcastically pointing out their hypocrisy in this kind of thing is totally in bounds. Hovind and his ilk are about as Christian as I am. I could go on for a long time about how they definitely some of those guys Jesus knew would claim to know him, but do not. Their love of money, their deceptions, their attacks on the poor through regressive political action, their prostituting their faith in the marketplace, these guys are about as Christian as my fat white ass, so pointing out that they're hypocrites and liars is in bounds.

Y'know, for a militant atheist like myself, hehe.
Your Obedient Serpent: big ideasathelind on August 3rd, 2009 07:04 pm (UTC)
Matthew 21:12
Oh, certainly, people like this need mockin'.

But this has no more bearing on the quality of their paleontology than if Stephen Jay Gould had been guilty of tax fraud.
Christopher Bradleycpxbrex on August 3rd, 2009 07:32 pm (UTC)
Re: Matthew 21:12
I don't think that place was motivated by a desire to share their paleontological beliefs. I think that their motivations have always been fraudulent. I think the whole place is bad faith, that even though I am sure they don't think evolutionary theory is "true" that what they're doing is filled with so many deceptions even within the context of their purported theory as to be obviously bad faith. I think that the Creation Museum has, as its intent, to lie - that you can't compare these cats with Gould because Gould, even if everything he wrote about natural history ends up being wrong, at least is honestly wrong. These guys? They are liars and frauds. The Creation Museum is a scam, and I believe consciously so.

Ahem, hehe. Rant off! If you think that their views on creation science are not, themselves, fraudulent, then you were bad! Bad dragon! But if you think that, perhaps, y'know, maybe the whole enterprise is nothing but a way to separate a sucker from their money, then not so much. :)
Araquan Skytracer: Sciencearaquan on August 3rd, 2009 07:36 pm (UTC)
I think this is an opportune time to invoke the immortal words of Nelson, one of the greatest wits of our time, who said...

pseudo manitoupseudomanitou on August 3rd, 2009 07:51 pm (UTC)
Hell yeah, I saw this coming -- when the park opened articles made mention that it was under investigation. It was just a matter of time.

But I love this part:
"He claimed no income or property since he was employed by God and said that his ministers were not subject to payroll taxes."

...you know, when you skimp on taxes, you also skimp on paying dues to soldiers, community workers, social programs, foreign aid, and a ton of other charitable causes that the voters support. Simply saying "I work for God" should not exclude you from being charitable, nor from playing a role in one of the few governments that would allow such a bullshit theme-park to exist.

...and this part:
"and making threats against investigators"
Fucking brilliant, douchbag.